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Butterfly effects

SEP 01, 2024

DOI: 10.1063/pt.oktn.zdwa

Tim Palmer

Palmer replies: While plausible, of course, the model of Roger Pielke, Bo-Wen Shen, and Xubin Zeng is nevertheless heuristic: As mentioned in my article, no rigorous proof or disproof of the real butterfly effect exists. Indeed, in contrast with the paper by Pielke and his coauthors, 1 recent published work 2 on spontaneous stochasticity in high Reynolds number flows (see reference 7 in my article ) suggests that not only may macroscopic circulations be sensitive to flaps of butterflies’ wings in finite time, but they may also be sensitive to the motions of individual molecules.

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  1. 1. R. A. Pielke Sr, B.-W. Shen, X. Zeng, Weatherwise 77(3), 14 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1080/00431672.2024.2329521

  2. 2. D. Bandak, A. A. Mailybaev, G. L. Eyink, N. Goldenfeld, Phys. Rev. Lett. 132, 104002 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevLett.132.104002

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Tim Palmer. (tim.palmer@physics.ox.ac.uk) University of Oxford, Oxford, UK.

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Volume 77, Number 9

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